019: Kingdom Contours • Movement Wisdom
In Episode 5 of the 100Movements Podcast series on Kingdom Contours, Brian Johnson sits down with Jeremy and Monica Chambers to explore what they call movement wisdom—a practical way to think about APEST (apostle, prophet, evangelist, shepherd, teacher) as gifts Jesus gives for the maturing of the body.
“The fruits guide the gifts — not the other way around.”
Rather than arguing about labels or offices, this episode stays grounded in how the Holy Spirit forms healthy community: stewarding limited time and energy, sharing leadership across gifts, and learning to partner instead of compete.
What you’ll hear in this episode:
Why “movement wisdom” starts with stewardship (time, energy, resources, attention)
A helpful way to think about APEST as the ministry of Christ expressed through the body
How polycentric leadership can be slower, messier, and healthier at the same time
Why your gift “bias” shapes how you read Scripture (and how that can lower the volume of bickering)
A simple practice (“APEST hats”) to help groups make wiser decisions together
This episode helps groups name what they already feel: some voices in community are loud and catalytic, others are quiet and deeply stabilizing. Movement wisdom isn’t choosing one gift over another—it’s learning how the Spirit uses all of them to mature the body. Jeremy and Monica offer language and tools that make collaboration more natural and competition less likely.